toothpaste

[marleen]

I have found a toothpaste for children, but I doubt whether I want to try it for Nienke. What do you think of it, these are the ingredients:
chalk,
water,
vegetable glycerine,
vegetable polysaccharides,
myrrh,
essential fennel oil*.
Nothing else.

International list of ingredients (INCI): Calcium carbonate, aqua, glycerin*, xanthan gum, foeniculum vulgare oil (aroma), commiphora myrrha oil, limonene".

I have my doubts about the fennel oil. But who knows!

[marleen]

Nobody?

[marleen]

Thanks Fred!
I'm going to look in the shops if I can find it overhere.

[ukbill]

Hi Marleen,

I apologise I read your post but been as I seem to be posting on everything these days I thought I'd leave it to someone else to have a go.

Fennel oil should be fine.

I drink Fennel tea to help settle my stomach and its fine. Fennel seeds in hot water .. that's it. great for windy tum.

The Fennel will be in very very small amounts so should be OK in any case.

I doubt if it is pure fennel oil however and so as long as the "carrier" oil is not Soya Oil I cannot see a problem, even then as I say its going to be in far too lower concentration to make any difference.

I cannot remember if you child is HFI or DFI?

With regard to ingestion of sugars found in toothpaste, I doubt if your child would ingest (swallow) enough sweeteners to cause a reaction by simple cleaning teeth at bedtime or breakfast.

If your child is HFI then the likelihood is that the child will only be too keen to spit the toothpaste out because it tastes sweet and "nasty" so low risk of ingestion.

Good research though to find that tooth paste, it must have taken ages!

Bill A.

[marleen]

Thanks Bill for your reaction.
They are still not sure what Nienke has. For now we treat Nienke as HFI.

It wasn't a long search. There has opened a new shop just around the corner with all eco-friendly stuff. That's were I found the toothpaste. By the way it comes from the UK if I'm right.
I agree with you that Nienke wouldn't eat the normal toothpaste. Everything that taste sweet is a no-go for here. Even sweeteners she could handle, she doesn't trust. But as you have said in other posts that dislike of something with a sweet taste is something to hold on to.

[ukbill]

Glad to be of help.

Yes I firmly believe it is only my dislike of sweet tasting foods that allow me to live like a "normal" human being.

For example.

I just got home form a Sunday meal with Sue my girlfriend, we tried new restaurant

theastonnewport.com/

Very little of the menu was HFI safe, however I was able to eat a good meal by avoiding all the sweet stuff. I had the following..

Charcuterie board; Parma ham, salami and chorizo with pickles and crusty bread

There was a sweet dressing on the green leaves and the pickles tasted sweet (picked Gherkin if done without sugar is fine in small amounts but most has added sugar. )

The bread was wholemeal which can be a problem but this bread was fine.

I followed that with Roast Leg of Lamb, Yorkshire Pudding, Gravy and cabbage.

The meal came with Roast parsnips, steamed carrots and swede (which I did not eat of course)

The Roast potatoes were of a variety that cause me problems being just a little too sweet for me to cope with, so I only had 1 1/2 of them, I also only ate a token about of cabbage because I could "feel" the effect of the potatoes within a few seconds so I did not want to overload my system.

However the gravy which is all too often a problem was fine and there was plenty of meat.

Sue my girlfriend had the roast beef and I pinched some of her beef as it was more than she could eat.

So because I can detect and reject the slightest sweet tasting foods I was able to eat around the meal and leave feeling well stuffed and with the warm glow that tells me I have had very little Fructose in the meal, and most importantly having enjoyed a really good tasting well cooked meal.

Had I been one of the unfortunates who like sweet foods then I cannot see how I would have come away from the restaurant without either feeling very ill or having to ask the owner of the restaurant an awful lot more questions and still being paranoid about what I was eating.

Nienke needs to hold onto her rejection of all sweet tasting foods if she is to be able to move around the world, to have self confidence and be able to trust in her own ability to eat with "normal people"

The only places that cause me problems are 1/. Eating at friends homes and 2/. Eating a fixed menu when I cannot choose what I am eating.

Hope this is of help?

Regards

Bill A.

[bentford]

Almost all big brand toothpaste has sorbital (at least here in the USA).

I use Arm and Hammer Advanced White. It doesn't contain sorbital and works great for me.

[buddhasbelly]

I use Parodontax, which is flavored with xanthan gum and a little bit of saccharin, which is supposed to be safe, at least from a HFI standpoint. Be sure to check the ingredients though, because not every variety is safe. The blue one (fluor free) and the red one (with fluor) seem to be fine, but the white one (whitener) contains sorbitol.

www.bu.edu/aldolase/HFI/treatment/sugar_table.htm

[tikitavi]

With the blessing of my dentist, I just use plain old baking soda. Have been using it for years. It's great!

[buddhasbelly]

That is so funny! Sometimes the solution can be so simple and cheap...even with HFI :-)

[esmee]

I have used only water on my teeth for the past 15 years and they are in great shape.

[ktfrlnd]

Xylitol brand toothpaste checked out as hfi safe. The xylitol is 100% pure according to the company.

[ukbill]

Xylitol is a sugar that cannot be metabolised by any bacteria or normal mammalian cell.. hence its use in anti bacterial mouth washes..

The bacteria "eat " the Xylitol, think they are full and then die from lack of food.. (I think that's how it works)

However this it makes me think.. if we swallow it.. just how many cells will one gram kill before its excreted?

I had to drink 150g of Xylitol in solution 3 times as part of my "challenge" test.. it gave me horrible squirts.. every time.

I think that was because it basically killed all the bacteria in my gut..

But how much was adsorbed??

I suspect its a bit of a ticking time bomb some day someone will eat too much for too long and then wonder why they have a globally decayed body.

Just a thought.. sweeteners are not all as safe as people think.. one is known to break down to produce a nerve gas! and people drink it by the gallon! (Aspartame)

Weird!

Please no one tell me that they (the food industry) would not sell anything known to be dangerous.. YES they will! So long as no one can prove its their product that's causing the problem!

I have personal knowledge of one such Global Chemical supply firm one of their divisions supplied additives to help preserve silage (cut wet grass).

My Farmers I supplied were all complaining that after using this firms product they all lost one or two cows a year who dropped dead with no apparent cause of death, and no warning illness.

When they changed off this product the deaths stopped.

I was at a training session with the Firms Animal health specialists.. (Many were very well known through out the world for their work on animal nutrition)

After their presentation and lunch (even the Tea "boy" had a Doctorate!) we had a question and answer session.

I asked about this complaint from some of my farmers.. the answer was "OH yes we know about the sudden death from using our product . Yes any farmer who uses our product will lose 1 to 2% of his cows a year to sudden unexplained death, but its perfectly all right no one can prove its our product that's doing it!"

I did not ever sell their Silage additive product again!

I have once been accused of being bitter.. no I'm not bitter, Cynical YES and with damn good cause!

Having said all that I doubt anyone could eat enough Xylitol in toothpaste to cause them any measurable problems.