UK hospitals "HFI food list"!

[ukbill]

OK not certain I should post this here but been sent a list currently being issued by the UK's leading hospital into Sugar related issues.

The List is simply dangerous

It puts Swede and Turnip in the Occasional column and sugar snap peas (mange tout) in the everyday column!

I have attached my updated version that I have sent back to the HFI lady who received the list in the first place.

I am Yet to calm down enough to speak to the hospital and point out their multiple errors in the list.

That is something I have to do soon but need to be calmer otherwise it will come over like I have tourette's syndrome!

Put bluntly they are blithering idiots issuing this list and it frightens me that they can understand the condition so very poorly.amended Addenbrooks food list..doc (76 KB)

IF anyone has other food lists issued by different hospitals I would love to see them as well .. to be honest I do not think this list is much worse than the one issued by Dr Tolan that I saw about 4 years ago.

Since I realised "Tolerated" is not the same as "Safe" I have gone safe in my diet. mostly eating Milk, meat, fish, rice and pasta with Mushrooms spices and herbs being the only regular vegetable addition. I have reduced to once a week things like Root Ginger and Garlic.

So I can happily report that I have NEVER felt better in my life! I am stronger fitter and have far less gut problems than I can remember ever having before not to mention far more stable blood sugar levels.

I'm waking up raring to go and get into the day.. or afternoon as it usually is, I work permanent night shift 5 nights 10.5 hours a shift minimum, I have not felt like that since I was in my early 20's

MY supplements have remained the same Vitamin C + Zinc slow release and Vitamin D3 daily, along with the Colofac I need to calm down my damaged gut. Some odd days dropping that off and not suffering much side effects when I do.

[charlie]

Bill, this is the same list we were given a few years ago. Most of it is actually very accurate, just maybe needs a few amendments. I think the occasional column should say with caution. I can't find an exact breakdown of mange tout but I know it is quite high fibre and I was surprised to see it on the list, I just used my common sense and didn't go there. Apart from that the list is pretty accurate. The sweeteners are on the allowed list but again some may not tolerate them (like Megs) for other reasons but again is down to the individual common sense. maybe a quiet calm email telling them, from your personal experience as a long term diagnosed these foods should have more warnings attached to them. I don't think you can call the list dangerous, after all it doesn't have long lists of high fructose foods on them. Megan is delighted to hear you have cut out onions now.......

But yes, please wait till you have calmed down.......

[oneladyff]

I am a little confused. It's my understanding that rice and pasta have fructose in them. I understand that anything that grows from the ground will contain fructose. So how is rice safe? I understand it's tolerate but safe? Did you find that in literature. Just curious.

[colormist]

White rice and white flour pasta (the refined kind, not the whole grain kind) do not have fructose in them. However, the whole grain pasta, whole grain flour, or brown rice (whole grain rice) do have fructose in them. It is my understanding that only one part of the grain contains fructose and the refining process removed that part of the grain that has fructose.

[jenni]

Why is canola and soy etc. oil not safe? I'm confused why oil would be unsafe on this list.
Thanks!

[colormist]

I've managed to use Canola and Peanut oil without a noticeable reaction. I'm not sure why Bill would list them as unsafe. The only oils I've found that were unsafe were infused oils (usually infused with some food with fructose in it).

Also Rapeseed oil UK = Canola oil US. So US canola oil would be safe.

Not sure about Soy Oil. I've never come across that type or had the opportunity. I typically use Olive Oil.

[ukbill]

Peanut (groundnut) oil is fine the only oils I have any problems with is SOY oil and Canola oil.

However in the UK we have Canola oil but sold as Rape seed oil (the name of the crop that Canola is made from) I have no problem with Rape seed oil at all.

So I am assuming its something like the processing that makes it safe.

Canola oil in the UK is generally unrefined Rape seed oil and is really mucky stuff.

I have no problems with unrefined Olive oil, Sunflower oil, refined Oil seed Rape oil, Palm Kernel oil or coconut oil.

Just wondering if Soy oil and Canola oil might contain some Sorbitol in them?? It a natural product and its very high in some things like Cherries (not that I'm likely to eat any of those) Maybe its in Soy beans and not removed from the oil by processing??

Its Natural effect is to taste sweet (making the item that contains it more desirable to eat but then speeds the eaten item through the gut of the animal that has eaten it so the nut (or maybe seed / bean) is ejected quickly out of the animal before being digested.

Therefore getting the seeds spread to different areas and being supplied with its own natural fertilizer as well to help the seed get established.

Ever eaten too much fruit? (I'm asking none HFI'rs here) and you will soon get the idea!

[ukbill]

Canola Oil being unrefined will have 2 or more Glucosinolates (which are poisons present in the seed and have to be filtered out of the oil by heat and Carbon filtering.)

Early varieties of Oil seed Rape had very high concentrations of these poisons in them (they imparted a horrible hot and bitter taste to the oil and seeds) it is precisely these chemicals that give Mustard its hot and fiery nature (they are very closely related plants and can cross pollinate) however you are unlikely to eat enough real mustard seeds to cause you any poisoning issues.. however I know they do come over in Mustard oil which is dangerous stuff to get on your fingers.. and then rub you eye.. or go to the loo without washing your hands many many times 1st! And No I am not going to recount the story as to how I know that!

Current varieties are supposed to have these reduced so they can be called "Double Zero" varieties however there will be some still remaining and the purity of the seed is also very important regrown farmers seed is never anything like as pure as seed growers product.

Potatoes suffer from this a lot! they cross hybridize like mad with any other potato growing for several miles upwind of the flowering plants.

I am only offering an opinion on the oils I have no research to seriously back up my musings at all, I also have problems with walnut oil and in particular Brazil nut oil, yet have no problems with raw / toasted Sesame seeds or oil.

Although I doubt that Sugars like Fructose are soluble in oil most natural oils contain a few % of water in them.. that % might be very high in Fructose of course Other than in Cherries I am not sure what other plants and seed might contain Sorbitol.. maybe my next research project??